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Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

So it end once again in bloodshed as has been the way of doing things for successive governments of "ISLAMIC" republic of Pakistan.
Muslim youth slaughtered on the altar of ego of Generals and misguided politicians of all stripes.
What Ghazi brothers did was it right or was it wrong? Certainly one can argue both ways and can find suporting quran and sunnah on both side. As far as I am concerned, I fully agree with Dr. Israr Ahmed defination, no Muslim can disagree with the motives and goals of Ghazi Brothers, our opposition to them is on the implementation/process to which they have subscribed to achieve these goals.
Government of Mr. Musharraf decided that Ghazi brothers are challenging the Government writ and no government can standby and allow it. Fair enough, anarchy and collapse of law & order shouldn't be alllowed. But why the Government is so eager to flex thier muscles when it comes to Lal Masjid yet standby and let a terrorist MQM slaughter the innocents and basically declare noone can oppose to them in Karachi. Mr. Musharraf was then happy to point out that MQM is a party and they are free to show their power. Nothing new double standard rulez Pakistan.
To keep this thread on the topic. Lets agree on certain things,
1 - Ghazi brothers ways to implement sharia were not what Muslims need at this particular time.
2 - Law & Order should be maintained and no single person or party should be able to take arms and demand on the barrel of gun what they want.

That said, question remains to be answered.
1 - If the government claim is right that Lal Masjid had tons of arms, then how the heck that happened in the heart of capital? These arms didn't come over one night, is it not the failure of government that in the centre of capital someone can accumulate arms and army able to challenge govt writ for this long? and if govt is right about arms, then why they didn't allow media immediately after securing the mosque to reveal the caches? So far govt only claims yet has not shown those massive caches of arms. Ghazi sahib till end stated they only have 14 AK47 only and asked that media come in and check themselves.

2 - Federal Madrassa Assoc. who were involved in the negotitations have put the blame solely on the govt. Stating that the agreement was reached with Ghazi sahib where by he will surrender in return him & his followers will be give safe passage to his village where he will be house arrested and will avoid any demonstration. The govt comittee of Shujaat, Ijazulhuq were present they agreed on the terms, when signing part came the govt party decided to get the approval of Mr. Musharraf, agreement was then changed whereby it stated that no safe passage would be given and all will be arrested and tried under anti-terrorist laws. Even chaudhry Shujaat & Ijazulhuq don't deny it outright, they say some legal language was used to formalize the agreement.

3 - Govt claimed that Lal Masjid was harboring foriegn terrorists and Ghazi sahib was given the safe passage but he also wanted safe passage for these forigners and that was caused the collapse of negotiation. One such foriegn person identified is actually a resident of Attock Pakistan, born n raised exactly like his parents and today the Govt spokeswoman Tasneem Khalid admitted that thier were no foriegners inside lal mosque except for the kids that were thier to get education.

I can go on n on but the basic point is wat was the hurry and why no non-violent ways were used to flush them out. One might disagree completly with Ghazi brothers and followers, but to call them terrorist and be happy on thier death is wrong, puerly on humanity basis. They were all Pakistanis where is our nationalism now? I severly disagree with Aasima Jahangir brand of feminism and liberalism, but even she was forced to condemn govt on this occassion. This speaks volume about the action. Do share you thoughts.
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

Some people have said that this operation was a planning of Mushy to take attention away from the APC in London and the CJ situation. I agree with the government on one thing, noone has the right to try and make a state within the state. The fact that so many people were able to surrender is also a credit to the govt.'s patience. As far as weapons are concerned, we will never know if these weapons were really found in th Masjid or if they were planted by the Army.

- One more question that comes to mind. The Masjid students had been kidnapping people ( chinese workers, alleged brothel owner, policemen), burning video stores, and occupying the Children's library for a long time. But why didnt the govt. do anything back then? Why did they let all these "crimes" add up before taking some action? Was it to disturb the APC? or to delay the CJ hearing?

What ever happened and still is happening in Pakistan (bomb blasts)i sgiving Pakistan a bad name.
As they say, Muslims killing Muslims is a sign of Qayamat.


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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

And I agree noone has a right to make a state inside state. But what about Mqm doing same thing in karachi and all the feudal lords with thier own militias and thier perosnal jails?
Y the writ of the government only get established against religious parties who are involved in less violence then the daily violence perpetrated by the so called liberal feudals?
Just look at kafeela siddiqui case, a Federal Minister is involved.
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

There is no Law and Order in Pakistan. What we need is a constitution. We must have a seperation of powers so there isnt a millitary coup every few years. IMO Mushy is losing control and he is gonna declare Marshall Law. Things look gloomy, to say the least.
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

I think its time for Islamist parties to change the tactics to avoid future Lal Mosque incidence. They should go the way of Turkey ruling party. Educating people abt Islam, electorla responsibility and developing a solid voting base.
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

I think its time to let the people choose. The Army should be protecting our borders rather than running the govt. Lal Masjid was an unfortunate incident but the number of suicide bombings that have happened against Pak troops since Operation "Silence" makes you wonder if there were militants in Lal Masjid and if the Ghazi bros. had contacts with militants.

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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

All previous govt urged these guys in 80's to go prepapre for jihad in Afghanistan. Yesterday mujaheedens are todays terrorist. Gimme a break.
But thats another debate. The original qts was who is responsible for the Lal MOsque tragedy?
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

thats what i think
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

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thats what i think

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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

Pervaiz Musharaf should resign... thats all because of him.. thats what all people of Pakistan and worldwide want to.. Get Rid of Musharaf
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

Not world wide west backs him all the way. I think his absence will calm things down. This is getting bad
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Re: Lal Masjid: Who is responsible?

To answer your question I think that both sides ( Govt. and Lal Masjid staff) are equally responsible. Whatever happened was a tragedy, no doubt. But what is happening since that Operation is worse. Pakistan is losing all foriegn credibility. NOT GOOD
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